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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 17, 2011 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

I’m afraid I had. And yet it is somehow freshly horrible. At least it’s not as outrageously, astoundingly, cheese-whizzedly godawful as “I Want to Live in America.” Which is so, so bad on so many levels.

What I don’t get is this: he watched it after it was made and thought it was good? Really?!? And what about everyone else in the band? Did they get through it without crying/puking/screaming, or did they actually think it was pretty darned copacetic and say, "Hey, great job, Bob"? I mean, given that a few years later they all were in that Hell in a Bucket video … and a few years earlier, there had been a certain album cover …

At least in the Hell in the Bucket one there’s a (lame) sense that they’re just playing along and having fun (of a sort) – not that it’s overcome by the embarrassing awfulness. Wonder if they tried to get Garcia into some kind of clown suit for it. At least he keeps a shred of bemused dignity.

Ringo, I hereby dub you the YouTube Queen. I will enjoy those links and appreciating his Bobness as soon as I recover from UU’s link to the Invasion of the Bobble-heads.


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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 17, 2011 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

HUH? I want to live in America is cheesy on a few levels but not bad on "so many levels" lol.

The lyrics are ok by me. Hell, I want to live in America too! It's a light AM Radio type song, so what? is it politically incorrect? If so, OMG!! haha

Boy, who's been taking sensitivity pills?
I miss the duck tho :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 17, 2011 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

Au contraire, Bay Area Bro; that vid sucks on an infinite # of levels...

;)

Call me sensitive, but I live in fear that someone I know that I've ever tried to convince about the DEAD's greatness will find that and show it to me and I will whither and die of embarassment on the spot...truly.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

lmao. Couldnt agree more.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 17, 2011 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

bingo. We have to put up with enough crap as it is...

As for the Hell in a Bucket - can't quite agree with AR on the look of bemused dignity on Garcia... to me it looks like a grimace - "what shit did I step in now?"

The only saving grace looking at these is to remember the cultural environment they come from... the MTV explosion of moronic "hair band" videos with biker babes in the 80s...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

"The only saving grace looking at these is to remember the cultural environment they come from... the MTV explosion of moronic "hair band" videos with biker babes in the 80s... "

EXACTLY! Hell in a Bucket is a send-up of ZZtop and VHalen and their ilk and this is the perfect video for it ...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

I don't see how it would be anything but a send-up.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

Agreed; and it still sucks...if you follow; taken from any of a variety of motivations, they don't pull it off (mocking the genre, critiquing it, etc., etc.; it's not what "they do" well, right? "live" visual art is not the DEAD's forte...).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

Agreed. A send-up but not a successful one.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 17, 2011 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

I don't think it's completely unsuccessful - the song, that is, not the video. I'm not gonna defend the video, but the lyrics to this song are a hoot.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

sigh ... there was no way we were going to have a Bob appreciation thread that didn't devolve into a Bob bashing thread.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

Well, beyond these two examples, I never bash Weir. Every time I pick up a guitar and try to play along with him, it's "how the hell did he do that?" I've got tremendous respect, not only for his playing, but also for some wonderful compositions. (HIAB ain't one of 'em.)

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 17, 2011 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

"Every time I pick up a guitar and try to play along with him, it's "how the hell did he do that?" I've got tremendous respect, not only for his playing, but also for some wonderful compositions."

Learning guitar greatly increased my respect for Bobby as well. His rhythm playing is astonishing at times. Also, many of my favorite Dead tunes were written by Bobby. I can't imagine the GD without him.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Oct 17, 2011 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

i third this

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 17, 2011 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

It was not meant as "Bobby Bashing". I was just pointing out that he, like all artists, is not spot on 100% of the time. In fact, I find the "Miami Vice" Bobby preferable to the "Daisy Duke" Bobby, and find the Hell In A Bucket video to be quite amusing.

I accept Bobby, and ALL other Grateful Dead members including Donna and Vince, to be an integral part of "the soundtrack of my life".

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 17, 2011 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

"Miami Vice" Bobby, that's pretty funny.

Yes - lest we be too quick to judge, we must remember what a terrible era it was. Terrible, terrible. Thank god there are no videos of me from that era on youtube.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

I feel the same way about the "Disco Days" with the green polyester leisure suits and the rayon "dress" shirts.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 17, 2011 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

And yet isn't that part of Bob's greatness? He inspires such enjoyable bashing.

Actually, I'm serious. "There is no excellent beauty that hath nor some strangeness in the proportion." (Francis Bacon) Bob's got a strange kind of excellence ... there's a bit of cheese mixed in there, and yet somehow it (generally) works. And I do think he's a genius. A quirky one, but aren't they usually?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 17, 2011 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Bob

I completely agree. But be careful, this opinion invites derision around here.
Yes, a strange excellence, and I also think he is an unsung genius at what he does. I guess it's just that when a genius is not being a genius, he/she can come a bit peculiar.

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